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Proposals

Recent major proposals (support/oppose/neutral):

End date Subject Votes Status
April 14 Author pagename guidelines (titles) 2/3/0 no consensus
April 27 Inclusion of reference data on Wikisource 0/8/1 exclude
April 27 Standardised process header 5/0/0 implemented
May 07 Iinclusion policy 4/0/0 implemented
May 13 Main page synthesis design 9/0/0 awaiting portals and featured texts
May 13 Featured texts 9/0/0 implemented
May 23 Administrator policy 7/0/0 implemented
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Deletions of unneeded redirects should probably no longer be speedy

I would like to propose removing deletions of "unneeded" redirects as speedy. I just noticed an appeal at WS:DEL regarding Rights Of Man. Currently, there is no clear definition as to what redirects are needed or unneeded. If at least two admins have conflicting opinions, wheeling wars are about to happen. Very persuasive deletions of "unneeded" redirects may also bite newcomers, which will be bad for our Wiki site. For these reasons, I would like to suggest any users, especially my dear fellow admins, to look at w:WP:RfD and reconsider allowing speedy deletions of "unneeded" redirects.--Jusjih 14:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you please elaborate on what the difference of opinion is about? I don't see why we need to alter the speedy policy, it might be better to add something about redirects to the style guide. As I said I really not sure what the issue is, but as far I am concerned redirects do no harm. If there is any doubt about a particular redirect we should probably keep it. I think most redirect deletions come from page moves which usually makes them "uneeded". I hope that we can avoid a large part of the contention that exists at en.WP (RfD or elsewhere) by simply listening to one another rather than complicated policy.--BirgitteSB 00:53, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikisource is not just a subproject of Wikipedia that is only linked from there. It is a project of its own and I should be able to link here from external sites and rely on that the links will work in the future. Therefor redirects left over from page moves do not become unneeded when all links from Wikimedia projects are changed. So don't just delete redirects without thinking. --82.212.68.183 10:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
That is a goood point. Lately, due to finally codifing naming conventions, we have had a larger number of page moves than we should hopefully ever have in the future. The resulting redirect from moving a recently created page should probably be deleted without any implications. But perhaps we should leave a soft redirect on pages that have existed for some time. "This page has moved, please update your link to X" Which could be deleted after three months or so. Does that seem acceptable to everyone? --BirgitteSB 11:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I do not think we should change our policy, just encourage editors to delete with caution. In terms of Rights Of Man, no Wikimedia project should be linking to that page (they should be linking to Rights of Man) because it is poor capitalization practices, and I think it would be a bad idea to try to cover every single different form of (improper) capitalization for every single page. But having thousands of redirects of chapter pages (e.g. BOOK_NAME - CHAPTER #) is no good because they bog down Special:Listredirects and do not allow us to see what beneficial redirects we have (the list cuts off after 1,000 for some reason). Also, the only thing that would possibly link to chapter pages would be interwikis on other WS projects--most sister projects would just link to the actual book page.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Rights Of Man is needed for case-insensitive Go-button matching. With it, variant capitalizations of "Rights of Man" go to Rights of Man. Without it, they go to "No page with that title exists". The Go button is case-insensitive only for page titles with a certain form of capitalization. Because Rights of Man, being mixed-case, is not such a form, it needs a supplementary redirect to trigger the Go button's case-insensitivity—hence Rights Of Man. We don't need a separate redirect for each variant; Rights Of Man covers them all. See here for details about Go-button matching and redirects from other capitalizations. Tim Smith 15:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow, I did not know that. Thanks for clearing that up, Tim. That said, I still do not think we need to remove redirects from speedy; we just need to make sure admins know about the case-sensitivity issues regarding the "Go" button, so that when they see redirects like that, they will not delete them.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 16:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree this is an important issue for us to be aware of. I believe we should make sure these redirects are in place for any mixed-capiltilization main titles, while ignoring the issue with any subpages. I do not believe people will be using "Go" for a specific chapter. Does anyone disagree with this?--BirgitteSB 16:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Not at all. Redirects like these (which will be for just about every work) should be made, but only made for the main work.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 18:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
We should better define what can or cannot be speedily deleted. For chapter pages, I do not object speedy deletion after redirects, but for others, we should think carefully.--Jusjih 15:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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Labeled section translusion

Hi, following discussions with developers over the past couple of weeks, I have created a new page for this. Please discuss, modify, comment, etc., feedback is very important on this.

Currently, this proposal is mostly relevant to the people who are working here on Bible in its various versions. I strongly recommend that those working on Bible in English consider the efforts that have already been made at Hebrew Wikisource, which point to the need for this proposal, and learn from previous experience. This is especially because similar efforts have begun in English.

This function has the potential to be highly useful not just for Bible, but for other types of literature as well. Technically it now is clear that it is possible, the next step is for Wikisource to consider how it might be used. Dovi 07:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I just voted for the bug. I had no idea that so much progress had been made over the last couple months! I'm not really sure what sort of things I can do to help discuss and modify this, it seems fairly comprehensive as to what our desires are and what it should accomplish.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 13:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you so much Dovi for sticking with this idea. I really did not understand it before and would have kept doing things the difficult way. One of my favorite sayings is a smart person learns from his past mistakes, but a wise person learns from other's mistakes. Thank you again for insisting we act wisely here.--BirgitteSB 15:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all the positive feedback! I think part of the problem initially was that I didn't make it clear enough. And the reason I didn't make it clear enough was because I hadn't thought it through well enough myself. Discussing it with others helped a great deal.

Please register support on the bottom of the proposal page and vote for the bug. Dovi 19:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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CommonsTicker

As some of you may have read on Wikisource-l, CommonsTicker is a new feature that is currently being set up on WMF projects. I propose we get that here, as we will be using more and more Commons files (we already are using audio files on Commons) and we will want to know if anything will happen to them. If there is enough support for it, all contact Duesentrieb and sponsor getting one set up here.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Support This looks to be a very useful tool--BirgitteSB 23:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Absolute support, this looks extremely useful. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 01:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Support This looks great. - illy 09:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
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Announcements

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Questions

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Template for Current US Senators

On my sandbox page, I copied the Wikipedia template for current U.S. senators and adapted it to redirect to the appropriate Wikisource author links. Although a minority of senators, only 12, are represented, that number is likely to grow over time. The template provides for an easy navigation among people sharing a common trait. I would like to propose putting the template on all current US senator author pages.--Politicaljunkie 20:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Personally I really dislike these large templates at WP. Really I feel the limit needs to be about twelve items before I start hating them. And they never end. If we do senators, why not congressmen? That one would be a real monstrosity. Most of the navigation demands can be met just as well with catagories, albeit one click further away. That said if other people see a need for these, I do not expect my perference to carry much weight. --BirgitteSB 23:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I heavily agree with your point concerning the congressmen. However, a template gives an easier, more visual representation of the senators and their political parties than a category.--Politicaljunkie 23:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Have you experimented with how this would look on an author page? From the size and colors of the template, it seems that it would not fit well with the layout of an author page. I might be wrong, though. I, too, have to agree with Birgitte about templates with many elements in them; they begin to get too bulky and unwieldy and begin to detract from the pages they are included on instead of helping them.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 01:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I changed my sandbox page to an example author page. The colors can be changed, but the size seems to shadow the actual author page. See what you think.--Politicaljunkie 01:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, the template looks terrible on the author page. What if you create a category for all U.S. Senators. On that category, list the template of current U.S. Senators. That way, people who visit that link will be able to see the group as a whole, but also only those who are currently serving as senators (meaning the ones who served in the 1800s won't keep people from seeing the ones who are serving today).—Zhaladshar (Talk) 14:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, I'll do that now.--Politicaljunkie 20:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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Bot flag for User:Xenophon (bot)

I created the account User:Xenophon (bot) to post the results of several queries that I ran on the toolserver, and with the eventual purpose of tagging articles which have no {{header}} template, {{author}} template on Author pages, etc. More recently, I've been doing quite a few page moves, and I've flooded recent changes several times while converting the Bible. If it's possible, I'd like to have this account flagged as a bot so that I can make these repetitive changes (always supervised) without flooding recent changes. Jude (talk,contribs,email) 02:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Support Jude is very competant and is easy to contact is there were to be any problems. He already has more edits than me in the short time he been here, which seems to me a good sign he needs a bot flag.--BirgitteSB 16:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. As there is currently no official policy on bots here, after a few days if there is no objections, I'll flag it.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 20:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. There's a proposed bot policy, though it hasn't gotten past the drafting phase yet. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 00:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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Other discussions

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Captcha image

Hi, I was trying to create an account. The form asks for some Captcha confirmation code. Only there is no image, all I'm getting is an "Internal server error: Bogus captcha" or something.--134.155.87.42 09:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The captcha image shows up fine for me when I access the signup form. Can you try a hard-refresh in your browser to see if it's a dodgy client-side caching issue? Are others experiencing this problem? 86.133.244.5 10:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
It's still not working. I'm using Firefox and shift-reloaded the signup form. Firefox shortly displays the image rectangle but then in it vanishes. Right-click-"Page info" gives me http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Captcha/image&wpCaptchaId=1161491410 as image URL. Dragging the URL into the browser returns <html><body>Internal Error

Requested bogus captcha image

</body></html>.--134.155.87.42 11:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I signed on with a different browser (konqueror) now. There were no problems. I still don't know why it didn't work with Firefox. Anyway, thanks.--GrafZahl 12:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
The captcha images often cause mysterious problems; a text-based captcha system would be nice. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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b:Purpose

The author of this book has recently added his text to Wikibooks. However, it doesn't really fit as it isn't really a textbook. So it's currently listed on Wikibooks' Votes for Deletion. It is an already published work that the author has released under the GFDL. I was wondering, is this suitable for transwiki to Wikisource? If so, I'll move it here, Jguk 17:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you give us author information or information regarding where it was previously published? I can't find anything on the matter.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 17:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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